I have a lot of respect for the legacy of #RalphNader, and he clearly respects the legacy of #RobertFellmeth, but listening to these two old men discuss internet regulation on Nader's #podcast is truly painful:
ralphnaderradiohour.com/facebo

For a start, they don't know that FB already enforces real names and have completely missed the long-running debate about the #UnintendedConsequences of this:
eff.org/deeplinks/2014/09/face

Everything else in the discussion is about as far behind the 8 ball.

@strypey "real names" All this does is keeps people with privacy concerns away from your platform and pushes them towards platforms which are more likely to radicalize them.

t. ex-8chan user

@allison @strypey how can anyone be sure that a person with a furrvatar and a made up name is contributing in good faith? (I'm not trying to attack you, but provide a counterargument to your statement)

@mariusor @allison @strypey Guess I'm going to butt in because this is too noxious to me to ignore.
There are myriad consequences that no one should have to endure for having everything tied to a "real name" -- your employer does not deserve and should not have a full survey of your social interactions; this has a chilling effect. Many opinions and experiences that are worth discussing would be damaging tied to a legal name. You do not want discussion of suicide, for example, associated with your real name because people in society at large and especially employers are deeply regressive about it.
It's crazy to me that anyone would pretend "real-life society" at large is good enough at enforcing norms that make sense and that are constructive for the people on the receiving end that a "real name policy" makes sense -anywhere-.
What if you're some trans kid w/ controlling bigoted who just wants a friend group that doesn't hate them? What if your employer is shit? What if you just want latitude to be who you actually are?
People who want this want control, and they want people who have a shit time in society to have no escape from it. It's that simple.
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@pulledfromthewater @allison @strypey I can totally sympathize with what you're saying. But I feel like you're missing the context of the discussion here which is a community for fact checking. Maybe I'm too privileged to see the forrest for the trees, but I don't see how this type of content can lead to dangers concerning one's real identity. I'm sorry if you have to worry about these things on a daily basis, and I hope we'll get to a point where you'll be able to feel safe on the internet.

@mariusor @pulledfromthewater @strypey For fact checking, empirically the only thing that matters is that a fact is established and that it can be confirmed independently. If that is the case, then there should be no need for legal name escrow as such (although it might be helpful to do something else like PGP or Bitcoin as a way of verifying identity, along the lines shown https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8EjDKEeusM here for example)

@mariusor
> I don't see how this type of content can lead to dangers concerning one's real identity.

1) any community that enforces "real name" policies risks creating the negative effects described by @pulledfromthewater (among others), regardless of the purpose or content of that site.

2) on the net, no one cares that you're a dog. Communities need tools for evaluating users on the merit of their contributions, not their personal attributes. #FreeCode dev proves this is possible

@allison

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